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Keypad Implementation using A/D

 
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rrb011270



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Keypad Implementation using A/D
PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:53 pm     Reply with quote

Mabuhay,

Anyone from the community who have done keypad implementation on a PIC using Analog-to-digital conversion?

Any info, materials and/or a sample snippet ...

Thank u.
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simple implementation
PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:13 am     Reply with quote

Hi,

if you want I will send you an Excel sheet which I used
for calculation of resistor values in ladder configuration.
The values were originally calculated for PIC with internal
comparator module but it can be also used for PIC with
A/D converter module of course.
All you need to do is just to type in your voltages, number of scanned keys and then obviously write some C functions for measuring
the analog input (Vx) and evaluating obtained value.

good luck with your project,

kypec
mechwu_2.0
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Re: Keypad Implementation using A/D
PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:20 am     Reply with quote

I calculated as below for 3x4 and 4x4 keypad but never tested.
Let us know if it really works.

best wishes.

Ref. see Tip #7 of this AP notes.
http://www.microchip.com/1010/pline/picmicro/category/embctrl/8kbytes/devices/12f675/9827/index.htm
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Code:

 +5V --------------------
      |        |        |
     10k      6.7k     3.3k
      |        |        |
      1        2        3  -40k-|
                                |
      4        5        6  -30k-|
                                |
      7        8        9  -20k-|
                                |
      *        0        #  -10k-|---> To Analog Port
                                |
                               50k
                                |
                               GND

key:   1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9     *     0     #
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
A/D:  128   132   137   142   147   153   159   166   174   182   191   201
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
         130   134   139   144   150   156   163   170   178   187   196
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

if       (y<120)  key = '?'
else if  (y<130)  key = '1'
else if  (y<134)  key = '2'
....
else              key = '#'


 +5V -----------------------------
      |        |        |        |
     12k       9k       6k       3k
      |        |        |        |
      1        2        3        A  -37k-|
                                         |
      4        5        6        B  -25k-|
                                         |
      7        8        9        C  -13k-|
                                         |
      *        0        #        D  - 1k-|---> To Analog Port
                                         |
                                        47k
                                         |
                                        GND


key:  1   2   3   A   4   5   6   B   7   8   9   C   *   0   #   D
---------------------------------------------------------------------
A/D: 125 129 133 138 143 148 154 160 166 174 182 190 200 210 222 235
---------------------------------------------------------------------
       127 131 135 140 145 151 157 163 170 178 186 195 205 216 228
---------------------------------------------------------------------

if       (y<120)  key = '?'
else if  (y<127)  key = '1'
else if  (y<131)  key = '2'
....
else              key = 'D'
mechwu_2.0
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Something I forgot ...
PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:11 pm     Reply with quote

1. The contact resistance of keypad is not considered in my design.

2. The contact resistance of keypad might get rusted after years ...
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Re: simple implementation
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:19 am     Reply with quote

kypec wrote:
Hi,

if you want I will send you an Excel sheet which I used
for calculation of resistor values in ladder configuration.
The values were originally calculated for PIC with internal
comparator module but it can be also used for PIC with
A/D converter module of course.
All you need to do is just to type in your voltages, number of scanned keys and then obviously write some C functions for measuring
the analog input (Vx) and evaluating obtained value.

good luck with your project,

kypec


Hello Kypec, I'll love if u can send me the Excel sheet for my reference in the calculation of the resistor... my email address is [email protected]..

If u have some other points please share it coz I'll love to implement this keypad thing using PIC A/D. A snippet will be a good start for my projects...

I'll wired the switches and the reset of the circuits on monday... I'll keep u posted..

once again thnx for the info/tips
rrb011270



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Re: Keypad Implementation using A/D
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:43 am     Reply with quote

mechwu_2.0 wrote:
I calculated as below for 3x4 and 4x4 keypad but never tested.
Let us know if it really works.

best wishes.

Ref. see Tip #7 of this AP notes.
http://www.microchip.com/1010/pline/picmicro/category/embctrl/8kbytes/devices/12f675/9827/index.htm
----------------------------------------------------------------
Code:

 +5V --------------------
      |        |        |
     10k      6.7k     3.3k
      |        |        |
      1        2        3  -40k-|
                                |
      4        5        6  -30k-|
                                |
      7        8        9  -20k-|
                                |
      *        0        #  -10k-|---> To Analog Port
                                |
                               50k

                                |
                               GND

key:   1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9     *     0     #
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
A/D:  128   132   137   142   147   153   159   166   174   182   191   201
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
         130   134   139   144   150   156   163   170   178   187   196
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

if       (y<120)  key = '?'
else if  (y<130)  key = '1'
else if  (y<134)  key = '2'
....
else              key = '#'


 +5V -----------------------------
      |        |        |        |
     12k       9k       6k       3k
      |        |        |        |
      1        2        3        A  -37k-|
                                         |
      4        5        6        B  -25k-|
                                         |
      7        8        9        C  -13k-|
                                         |
      *        0        #        D  - 1k-|---> To Analog Port
                                         |
                                        47k
                                         |
                                        GND


key:  1   2   3   A   4   5   6   B   7   8   9   C   *   0   #   D
---------------------------------------------------------------------
A/D: 125 129 133 138 143 148 154 160 166 174 182 190 200 210 222 235
---------------------------------------------------------------------
       127 131 135 140 145 151 157 163 170 178 186 195 205 216 228
---------------------------------------------------------------------

if       (y<120)  key = '?'
else if  (y<127)  key = '1'
else if  (y<131)  key = '2'
....
else              key = 'D'



Hello mechwu_2.0,

How many bits u use for the A/D in order to get the values of the resistors.

I plan to use it on a 10-bit A/D

Thnx
mechwu_2.0
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To: rrb011270
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:12 pm     Reply with quote

1. For 10-bit A/D, simply multiply my numbers by 4.

2. The contact resistance of my keypad is 20 ~ 100 ohm depends on how hard it is pressed, measureded with a multimeter. check it out with your keypad.

Best wishes
rrb-pic
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Re: To: rrb011270
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:18 pm     Reply with quote

mechwu_2.0 wrote:
1. For 10-bit A/D, simply multiply my numbers by 4.

2. The contact resistance of my keypad is 20 ~ 100 ohm depends on how hard it is pressed, measureded with a multimeter. check it out with your keypad.

Best wishes


1. For 10-bit A/D, simply multiply my numbers by 4. ---> what u mean by this? do u mean the A/D value will be multiplied by 4.?

this for clarification....

thnx
rrb011270.
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Re: To: rrb011270
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:19 pm     Reply with quote

mechwu_2.0 wrote:
1. For 10-bit A/D, simply multiply my numbers by 4.

2. The contact resistance of my keypad is 20 ~ 100 ohm depends on how hard it is pressed, measureded with a multimeter. check it out with your keypad.

Best wishes


1. For 10-bit A/D, simply multiply my numbers by 4. ---> what u mean by this? do u mean the A/D value will be multiplied by 4.?

this for clarification....

thnx
Guest








PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:48 pm     Reply with quote

For 4x3 keypad with 8 bit-A/D value 0 ~ 255, I said:

if (y<120) key = '?'
else if (y<130) key = '1'
else if (y<134) key = '2'
....
else key = '#'

For 4x3 keypad with 10 bit-A/D value 0 ~ 1023, it should be:

if (y<480) key = '?'
else if (y<520) key = '1'
else if (y<536) key = '2'
else if (y<556) key = '2'
....
else key = '#'

You can recompute the numbers based on the resistor network for better performance. for example, key '1' gives roughly 1023*(50k)/(10k+40k+50k) = 511.5, key '2' gives roughly 1023*(50k)/(6.7k+40k+50k)=529, so, the decision point should better be (511.5+529)/2 = 520, well, still the same as 130 x 4 in this case, so,

if (y<480) key = '?'
else if (y<520) key = '1'
...

should work

Best wishes
Guest








PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:17 pm     Reply with quote

Hello,

Can this method of keypad implementation using a one channel A/D say, AN0 incorporates with #int_ad be possible?

need your comments....

thanx
Guest








Re: Keypad Implementation using A/D
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:20 pm     Reply with quote

mechwu_2.0 wrote:
I calculated as below for 3x4 and 4x4 keypad but never tested.
Let us know if it really works.

best wishes.

Ref. see Tip #7 of this AP notes.
http://www.microchip.com/1010/pline/picmicro/category/embctrl/8kbytes/devices/12f675/9827/index.htm
----------------------------------------------------------------
Code:

 +5V --------------------
      |        |        |
     10k      6.7k     3.3k
      |        |        |
      1        2        3  -40k-|
                                |
      4        5        6  -30k-|
                                |
      7        8        9  -20k-|
                                |
      *        0        #  -10k-|---> To Analog Port
                                |
                               50k
                                |
                               GND

key:   1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9     *     0     #
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
A/D:  128   132   137   142   147   153   159   166   174   182   191   201
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
         130   134   139   144   150   156   163   170   178   187   196
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

if       (y<120)  key = '?'
else if  (y<130)  key = '1'
else if  (y<134)  key = '2'
....
else              key = '#'


 +5V -----------------------------
      |        |        |        |
     12k       9k       6k       3k
      |        |        |        |
      1        2        3        A  -37k-|
                                         |
      4        5        6        B  -25k-|
                                         |
      7        8        9        C  -13k-|
                                         |
      *        0        #        D  - 1k-|---> To Analog Port
                                         |
                                        47k
                                         |
                                        GND


key:  1   2   3   A   4   5   6   B   7   8   9   C   *   0   #   D
---------------------------------------------------------------------
A/D: 125 129 133 138 143 148 154 160 166 174 182 190 200 210 222 235
---------------------------------------------------------------------
       127 131 135 140 145 151 157 163 170 178 186 195 205 216 228
---------------------------------------------------------------------

if       (y<120)  key = '?'
else if  (y<127)  key = '1'
else if  (y<131)  key = '2'
....
else              key = 'D'



How can we change the resistor value such that the gap between buttons is large enough to prevent mistrigger? I need your comments please...

Thanx
mechwu_2.0
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:45 am     Reply with quote

I did my design by trial and error to equalize the gap between buttons. Considering 8 bit A/D with 5 V for 0 ~ 255, each step is 5000 mV / 255 ~ 20 mV, and my design gives a minimal gap of 4, which means roughly 80 mV, so, it should work under a noise less than 10 mV, which shall not be difficult. Anyway, I never tested, so, that'a all I can say.

Good luck
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